Detective Comics 14

Today, Shelby and Patrick are discussing Detective Comics 14, originally released November 7th, 2012.

Shelby: Scott Snyder has spoiled us with his work on Batman. His take on the Dark Knight is complex and expansive, allowing for a lot of personal growth for the character as well as massive cross-over events. It’s gotten so that is what I expect from Batman; epic, sweeping narratives on a grand scale. It’s easy to forget the fun to be had in a simple Batman vs. bad guys story. That’s exactly what John Layman gives us in Detective Comics; Batman chasing the baddies, being a detective. While the storytelling is a little bit clunky, it’s still a fun little jaunt into an old-school Batman adventure.

The issue starts exactly where the last one left off; Bruce about to lose his head a party that the Penguin has totally crashed. While Bruce is trying to figure out a way to fight the assassin without it looking like he’s Batman, the Penguin steps in and takes care of things. Now, not only has he out-bid Bruce in naming the wing of the community center, he’s also saved his life. Bruce knows he’s up to no good, but before he can take care of the Penguin, he needs to stop Poison Ivy from destroying a chemical lab. Despite the fact that, as Damian so helpfully points out, not only is Ivy cleaning up Gotham she is also destroying companies owned by one Oswald Cobblepot, Bruce knows he needs to do the right thing. He meets up with Ivy and uses a new toy in his visor to combat her controlling ways: a “high-frequency fluorescent strobe” which basically does a hard reset to his brain, shocks and focuses it back to the task at hand. It works against Ivy, but leaves Bruce with a horrific migraine. As a migraine sufferer myself, I can understand why he was too distracted to notice until it was too late they had stepped into a trap. Ogilvy takes them both down with a one-two punch of electrified floor and poisonous gas, and takes Ivy with him. Batman wakes up just in time to deal with a rage-filled Clayface, demanding to know what had happened to Ivy, his wife. There’s a little backup story as well, but I’ll get to that in a minute.

There’s good and bad to be had in this issue. On the surface, I had a good time reading it. Batman looks at some clues, figures out where to catch the bad guy, but TWIST! The hunter becomes the hunted, etc. There are a lot of little details in this story that just make Batman who he is. His reaction to the assassin at the party is a perfect example. While barely escaping with his life, he has the presence of mind to assess the situation and determine that, while Batman could easily take him down, Bruce could not. I don’t know why, but I love the idea of Bruce trying to balance protecting his life and his identity. Having Penguin take out the bad guy is an obvious and fun solution. Not only is the Penguin really putting the final nail in the coffin of Bruce’s big night, it also reminds us that we are in on this huge secret of what Bruce does at night. Having Penguin save Bruce and unknowingly saving Batman in the process makes us actively participate in this huge secret that we all take for granted.

That being said, I’ve got some problems with this issue as well, one plot-related and one format-related. The plot problem I have is with Batman’s little mini-seizure inducing device to keep him out of Ivy’s grasp. I’m willing to suspend my disbelief of this technology existing and working for what Batman needs. He’s a gadget man, and it would take a pretty far-fetched gadget for me to not be on board. I figure, as long as it works I don’t have a problem with it.

That’s just it: it doesn’t really work. It keeps Pamela out of his head fine enough, but the side effects are so incapacitating he could have been killed. If Ogilvy wasn’t looking to only collect Pammie, Batman would have been totally screwed. He had to know going into it the effect the gadget would have. He also has other counter measures he’s used before. So why would he choose to use this particular device now?

I also don’t think the backup was a good idea. The issues closes with a nice little surprise of Clayface demanding to see his wife. I did not see it coming, and was intrigued as to how that came to be. Instead of leaving me with a suspenseful little cliffhanger, however, Layman just goes ahead and tells me exactly how it happened in a backup story. Ivy breaks into Arkham and picks up Clayface. Whatever interest I may have had in the question is spoiled by an immediate and simple answer. I suppose this does save us from an expository-heavy monologue down the line, but here I feel Layman just spoiled his own surprise ending. Patrick, what do you think, am I looking too hard at what is admittedly a fun and fairly straight-forward issue? Also, do you find yourself becoming more and more worried about what THE FUCK has happened to Alfred?

Patrick: Oh yeah: Alfred’s fucked.

I’m generally pretty unhappy any time the entirety of a story could be assumed. There’s not a single emotional or narrative beat of the back-up that interests, surprises or challenges me in any way. By this point is Gotham history, “villain breaks another villain out of Arkham” isn’t a story – it’s a fucking footnote. There’s also that problem inherent to any Arkham Asylum story – the residents of the Asylum are so varied and interesting, but they are also densely populated. There’s really no way to give them all their due, so their appearances serve as little more than cameos. Do you like Black Mask, Dollmaker, Clayface, Sumo, Szazs? Hope you also like just seeing their faces, cause that’s all you’re gonna get here.

You wanna know what’s crummy? Not trusting your audience. It bothers me how neatly the assassin business from the previous issue wraps up, only for Batman to pull a total 180 and change his focus entirely. That resolution belongs at the end of previous issue. Just imagine how much more satisfying of a reading experience the previous issue would had been with that fun little Penguin punchline tagging it. Further, imagine how much more streamlined this issue could have been if it had been more narrowly focused on a confrontation between Ivy and Batman. The connective material between these stories in this issue is just weird – a jarring realigning of Batman’s priorities. I refuse to believe that anyone picked up issue 14 because they needed to find out if the assassin from issue 13 succeeded in killing Bruce Wayne: rending that cliffhanger kinda pointless.

Hey, Poison Ivy’s getting a lot of page-time lately, huh? She was featured prominently in Birds of Prey, she’s currently fighting alongside Swampy in Rotworld, and this isn’t her first appearance in Detective Comics. And just about everywhere she shows up, it’s easy to disagree with her methods, but her goals… her goals are sorta noble. There’s something endlessly compelling about a superpowered character that values her environmental causes more than human life. The planet is on the losing side of a fight with mankind, the immorality of which we all do a pretty good job of ignoring in our day-to-day lives. Ivy just takes up the defense of mother nature. I want so badly for the concept of Poison Ivy to be teased out to its logical conclusion. But instead there’s a bottomless well of mind-control scenarios that writers will use the character to explore.

Jason Fabok’s art is workman-like, and generally clear enough to convey action with a sense of purpose. But he certainly doesn’t take a lot of chances. “Safe” is the word I would use to describe this art – and even the trippy sequences where Batman is resisting Ivy’s poison are surreal due to efforts of colorist Jeromy Cox.

But this same reliable-if-not-altogether-flashy style is effective. Hell, there was even a panel in here that made me realize something fundamental about the characters: Bruce and Damien look alike because they’re father and son. I know – duh, right? But look!

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22 comments on “Detective Comics 14

  1. We talk a lot about the range of styles and takes on the Batman mythos, but that often neglects the approaches to conflict those stories can take. While Snyder is finding a lot of emotional resonance in Bruce’s battles over in Batman, I think there’s absolutely room for more of a Saturday-morning serial adventure that cranks through the rogues gallery in heavy rotation. It reminds me of BTAS in a lot of ways. Layman has yet to find the emotional resonance of the best episodes of that show, but I’m kind of thrilled by the “new villain each issue” approach.

    With that in mind, I wish Layman would take even more cues from BTAS, and make the issues a little more episodic. Patrick is absolutely right to criticize the previous issue’s dopey cliff-hanger that only serves to clutter up the action here. It seems like Layman wants to tie this episode back to the Penguin, but wouldn’t it be neat if we didn’t know about the connections until Ogilvy shows up? Like, Bruce was going to stop Ivy no matter where she was attacking, so letting us know that it’s owned by Penguin feels more clunky than useful as it’s deployed here.

    • Agreed. Layman is close to the mark on this. I was really excited to see Clayface show up at the end. And then totally bored by Ivy’s Adventures at Arkham. I would have no qualms with reading Snyder’s latest Bat-epic as well as the Lighter Side of the Bat.

    • Yeah, man – good point. There’s a one-off-adventures-of-the-dark-knight whole in DC’s line-up (which is absurd considering how many holes they try to plug up with Batman. And all it would take to change this series to that end is a slight attitude adjustment (just a passing reference to the emotional side of the villains) and an admission of its episodic nature. Tell a Penguin story is one issue, tell a Poison Ivy story in the next. There can be connective tissue, but no more starting an issue with the climax of the previous – it makes for a confusing reading experience.

  2. It it weird to consider that the Birds of Prey are sort of Live and Let Live with Ivy? She did try to DESTROY ALL ANIMAL LIFE ON EARTH and, even though they escaped from her plan, she’s still running around killing people in the name of plants. Further, Batman knows about this and he’s still like “yeah, I’m gonna go have a word with her.” Dude, come on: what’s a villain got to do? (Ah, yes, insult the Wayne family name – very clever Pam, very clever.)

    • I mean, maybe we’ll see some repercussions from them once they finish getting better from when SHE POISONED THEIR BLOOD, but probably not.

  3. Did you guys have any issues with the Bat’s visor rave device at all? Or am I just being too picky to think it’s dumb?

    • Oh, no it’s super dumb. I thought you covered it pretty well – otherwise I was going to rip it apart. Batman saying “I have a terrible headache but at least I’m myself” is dumb, because he clearly can’t focus – and what the hell is Batman if he can’t focus? Just a dude with a cape. I don’t know why it’d be so important to make Ivy think he had been mindcontrolled when he really wasn’t. Anti-venom, dental damns, JUST NOT KISSING HER – all of these would make more sense than giving himself a mini-seizure.

    • I mean, I’m always a little annoyed when we focus on fictional tech — especially if said fictional tech malfunctioning is going to be a plot point — but this didn’t seem particularly egregious here. It’s almost funny how Bruce rides out to face Ivy knowing full well that they’re probably going to kiss a little. Like, he could wear a mask or something, but he just takes the smooching as a given, and works out a method to stay sane from there.

          • Hey, speaking of good kissers – who exactly does Bruce hallucinate when Ivy poisons him? There’s some woman he sees that meant just nothing to me. Bruce needs to fight a female villain he doesn’t overtly want to fuck. CONVERSELY, he needs to fight a male villain that he does want to fuck.

            • I’d really like to read a take on Ivy where her sexuality isn’t part of her characterization, but everyone thinks it is, anyway, just because she’s attractive.

              • There is something to be said for her sexuality as a reflection of her control of pheromones, etc., but that all comes back to your original point of how nice it would be to see an Ivy story that doesn’t involve her controlling everyone around her with plant magic.

  4. Hey, let’s rag on the pointless flashforward as a storytelling gimmick. Not only is it an over-used trope in comics, but it’s really clumsy here – being that the “openning flashforward” is deployed like 8 pages in.

    It keeps coming back to that held-over resolution to issue 13. GRUMBLE.

  5. It’s funny, when I dislike the backup it is usually because it is too unrelated to the plot, so I thought I liked this one just fine – I guess, because of the expectation that it wouldn’t add anything it then never occured to me that it could be TOO relevant. And it totally is. Just as you’ve highlighted, it’s totally pointless and it spoils the cliffhanger with the most elementary resolution. Also, I have been a pretty big Fabok fan since Batman Annual #1 and JLI Annual #1, but he seems to have missed a step here, somewhere. I remember seeing a profile shot of Batman (I want to say he was grabbing someone by the collar and looking “mean”) where his mouth looked simply neanderthal. I think Fabok’s lines are clean and his figures are great, and I’ve gone as far as to say that I prefer him to Finch before, but I’m starting to notice his faces get a little wonky and unreliable

    • I actually needed the backup, mostly because — for whatever reason — I didn’t recognize Clayface as Clayface. I thought it was some kind of swampy monster Ivy had made as her own protector. Tapping the rogues gallery for her army of brainwashed goons makes a lot of sense, and seems like a natural way to incorporate more baddies into the story. Ultimately, Shelby is right — the backup doesn’t show us anything that couldn’t have been effectively illustrated in a line or two of dialogue in the next issue — but I saw it more than a waste of space (and my dollar!) than as a nullification of the cliffhanger. We’re going to get the explanation next, either way, and I have no problem getting it sooner rather than later, I just wish there was a reason to show it at all.

      • I really liked this issue. A lot. It’s probably my co-favorite Batbook on the stands right now (I don’t get Inc because of continuity and I’ll just get the whole thing when it’s a trade and I don’t get Dark Knight because it was awful and then it was Scarecrow who could only be more awful if they gave him a crossbow).

        Penguin is being manipulated and controlled by his second in command. This is an Ogilvy story. (I’m going to sound like such a prognosticator in 6 months) (Either that or an idiot) Everything that is being done seems to be Ogilvy. Who hired the assassins, who captured Ivy, who had Penguin turn the botched assassination into a positive? Ogilvy.

        I liked the backup – I don’t NEED a cliffhanger every time. I’m happy with a story having a conclusion. There’s enough of a cliffhanger in that Ivy is captured and Batman is in the hands of a crazed Clayface (who I really know nothing about other than his recent nuptials). I didn’t need to have a “They’re married?!?!?” cliffhanger as well.

        I liked the art. I really like this portrayal of Robin, actually. The samurai fight scene was clearly drawn, and the title page with Ivy’s vines and the closing page with Clayface grapping Batman are seriously awesome works.

        Maybe I’m just a Layman fan and starting to get into Chew so I am digging his style right now. Maybe I’m an idiot. Yeah, Batman with the migraine solution to Ivy is a bit weird and his falling for a different poison gas is absurd given what I know about Batman, but I hardly notice that because I’m constantly entertained.

        (oh, and I agree I needed the backup to know that was Clayface. I originally thought it was a. . . hell, I had no idea who/what that was. I liked the picture, but I didn’t know the bad guy. I’m new to DC and Batman)

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