The Amazing Spider-Man 700

Alternating Currents: Amazing Spider-Man 700, Mikyzpltk and Drew

Today, Mikyzptlk and Drew are discussing The Amazing Spider-Man 700, originally released December 26th 2012.

Mikyzptlk: I’ve always heard that, for writers, endings are the hardest part of a story to write. Most of the time, comic book writers who are helming flagship characters like Wonder Woman or Spider-Man don’t have to worry too much about coming up with an actual ending for their characters. Sure, they definitely have to come up with an ending to their story arcs, but that’s a far different thing than coming up with an ending for the characters themselves. This week, Dan Slott finds himself in the unique position of writing the ending (yeah right) of not only The Amazing Spider-Man but of Peter Parker himself.

The final (for now) issue of The Amazing Spider-Man opens at Peter “I’m secretly Doc Ock” Parker’s apartment where he’s spending the evening attempting to score with Mary Jane. Before things go too far, they are interrupted by a Google Alert that Otto has set up indicating that Doctor “I’m secretly Peter Parker” Octopus has escaped from the super-jail known as “The Raft.” Doc Ock’s response is to buy a plane ticket for a 15 hour flight with the intention keeping out of harms way long enough for Spider-Man to die in his old body. Speaking of Spidey, we catch up with him back in one of Doc Oc’s old hideouts where the Trapster has hooked up his life support system to some old “Octopus arms.” During the process, something goes wrong and Spider-Man dies (but only for a few minutes). In what is either a hallucination or the after-life, he sees his loved ones who have passed on. Uncle Ben appears telling him that although he has more than earned his rest, he cannot leave a man like Otto Octavius running around as Spider-Man or Peter Parker. He then tells Peter to get up and end the fight once and for all.

Spider-Man wakes up with a plan and immediately gets underway to find the mind-swapping gold “Octobot.” Back at The Raft, Mayor J. Jonah Jameson is talking trash not only about the inadequacies of the prison but of Doctor Octopus as well. Doc Ock doesn’t take this very well and decides to stay in New York after all. He rounds up Peter Parker’s friends and family and locks them away to keep them “safe” from “Doc Ock.” At this point, A LOT of back of forth between Spider-Man and Doc Ock takes place, but unfortunately for our hero, Doc Ock was a step ahead. Spidey’s plan to use the gold “Octobot” one last time failed leaving him stranded in Doc Ock’s quickly dying body. However, the “Octobot” allows Spider-Man to force Doc Ock to relive the moments in Peter’s life that made him into our favorite wall-crawling hero. After Peter dies (seriously…he’s dead) Doc Ock declares that he will live up to the ideals of the true Spider-Man but due to his “superior” intelligence, he will be…

Superior? We'll see about that.

Well, it’s been a couple of days since I’ve read this issue and I still don’t know how I feel about it. Except for the last few issues, I haven’t been reading this title lately. I know that Dan Slott has been a fan favorite for the past few years though so I was surprised to hear a lot of the backlash (not to mention death threats) that the writer has been receiving of late. While I would never defend the actions of those deplorable “fans,” I do understand why there was a level of backlash. Slott has taken some chances here and it’s simply not going to be to everyone’s liking. The fact that he has Doc Ock walking around in Peter’s body, plotting to destroy everything that Peter has built up from the inside out is very disconcerting. However, I also find it very entertaining.

This is the classic body-swapping scheme fully realized. Writers have been doing this for decades and I love seeing the villain finally succeed here. It was a lot of fun seeing the chess game played out between Spidey and Ock and I really feel that Slott pulled out all of the stops. I believed the story that was being told here and I believe that Ock could really pull something like this off. I also believed that Spidey would not take this lying down. Even as “his” body failed him, he fought to his last breath to take back his identity. When he failed to do so, he did what he thought was the next best thing. He forced Ock to feel all the pain and joy in his life that made Peter into the hero we all know and love.

While I believe in those elements of the story and that Peter would attempt to do that, I don’t know if I believe in Ock’s response. He claims that he will now live up to the heroic ideals of Spider-Man but I just don’t know if I buy that. Uncle Ben’s death was the result of Peter’s inaction, not Doc Ock’s. Even if Peter transferred the love he felt from Ben into Ock, I just don’t see someone as vile as Ock turning over a new leaf so quickly or maybe even at all. I also take issue with the implication that if you simply experience the same things that Peter experienced, the result would be the same. It makes Peter less exceptional and I’ve always believed that Peter was extremely unique in his choices to become a hero. He took on all of the guilt and he decided to become a hero. That said, I am interested is seeing where the story goes from here and finding out if Ock really is going to become a true hero and how him staying in Peter’s body is going to continue to play out.

I'm not sure we want to either.

Humberto Ramos was responsible for the art in this issue and I’m not quite sure he was the right fit for it. I know he has approximately a million fans and, depending on the story, I can see why. However, for tales as serious and heartbreaking as this one, I really didn’t enjoy him here. This has nothing to do with his talent and I don’t fault him for his style. What I do fault is the choice of this artist for this particular issue. Had this issue ended with a Spider-Man like victory, I think Ramos would have worked just fine, but the fact that it ends with Peter Parker’s death and his identity being usurped by one his deadliest foes makes me think another artist would have been more appropriate.  Considering the tone of this issue, an artist with a more straightforward and realistic style would have worked better than the more exaggerated and “cartoony” style of Ramos.

Doc Ock's looked better.

So Drew, there was a lot going on in this issue that I couldn’t get around to discussing. There was a lot going on with Spidey’s supporting cast that I’m sure pleased some fans and infuriated others. However, my biggest question for you is also the simplest. Did you enjoy it?

Drew:did, which I think is truly remarkable, given that the first Spider-Man comic I’ve ever read was Amazing Spider-Man 698. I’m not a complete neophyte — I’ve seen enough movies and Saturday-morning cartoons (and spent enough time hanging around comic shops) to understand the broader strokes of Spidey’s mythology. Just before Patrick read this issue, he joked that he was “going to try to simulate the experience of finishing a 700 issue series,” which seems totally absurd, yet this issue actually does make me feel like I’ve been along for the ride this whole time.

Part of this is accomplished by returning Spidey to his roots — that climactic battle is essentially all about the great responsibility that comes with great power — and part of it is all of the stuff that comes after the feature (two nostalgic backups, a covers gallery of the ENTIRE SERIES, and a MASSIVE letters column featuring the one, the only Stan Lee). Those extras really make this issue feel like an event, which makes me feel like part of the community for simply owning a copy. Hearing fans of all ages reminiscing about their favorite Spidey moments, or reading JM DeMatteis’ brilliant backup gave me a perspective on this issue that I’m not sure I could have appreciated otherwise.

Let’s talk about that backup for a minute. It features “Great Gran’pa Martin” explaining to his great-grandson how he used to be Spider-Man. It’s a stirring but heartbreaking peek into what would happen if Peter had survived to be Spider-Man indefinitely, as Great Gran’pa remembers all of the story we know and beyond. Or, perhaps misremembers is more accurate. Check out this hilarious muddling of Marvel’s greatest heroes:

Arachnid-Guy and the Fantastic Avenge-Men

Bizarre conflations like “Iron Devil” and “Thulk” (or the unnamed Beast/Angel and Magneto/Cyclops hybrids) are fun, but they also call the narrator’s reliability into question. Later, when his great-grandson tries to correct one of these details, he barks back “Hey — is this your story or mine?” That kind of intensely personal take on how memories influence stories is a lovely sentiment for the fan community, and one that’s particularly ingratiating to newcomers — the way I experience this issue may not be the same as someone who owns every single issue of this title, but that’s totally okay. In the end, it doesn’t really matter if Great Gran’pa’s story is true — it brings him and his great grandson joy, and that’s all that matters.

The feature also succeeds in finding a broader philosophical angle to the end of Peter’s journey. We’ve always been able to admire Peter’s amazing accomplishments, but he’s always been trying to atone for his mistakes, never truly living down his guilt. It’s hard not to get a little misty when Uncle Ben tells him he’s earned his right to heaven, and it’s harder not to get pumped when he tells him there’s one more fight left to fight. That absolution sends Peter into battle with no motivation other than to do the right thing.

And he does it.

That’s the important thing about this issue that all of the detractors are missing. Yes, Peter fails to switch minds with Octavius, but this is without a doubt a moral and philosophical win. All Peter ever wanted was to live up to his responsibilities and protect people from evil, and this ending ensures that that mission will live on beyond him. It’s an absolutely beautiful idea, and one I wish more people could appreciate. Peter may not be around for a while (and honestly, if he never came back, this issue serves as a fantastic eulogy), but his mission and spirit live on.

Will Otto make for a “Superior” Spider-Man? I think he thinks so, but some of his actions in this issue suggest otherwise. He might be better at web-slinging, but he’s sorely lacking in the personality department. Otto is overly logical, and was never one to value friendship, which means he’s kind of a dick to everyone. Take this exchange on his date with MJ:

Peter Parktavius and Mary Jane's date

Later on, he refers to her as “woman,” and calls her pep talks “trite.” Octavius doesn’t have the patience for Peter’s personal life, which has always been a key part of Spider-Man. I know all of the naysayers have already made their “Inferior Spider-Man” jokes, but I think Otto’s failings in this particular facet of Peter’s life is going to be a big part of Superior Spider-Man, to the extent that it may be the thing that eventually brings Peter back.

I don’t really want to conjecture too much about the new series, but I will say that I’m looking forward to it. If Slott can end a series this well (and make me care so much with only three issues under my belt), I have all the confidence that he’s going to craft an incredible series with Superior. This may well be the end of an era for Spider-Man, but there’s plenty here to make me think the next one might be just as fun.

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22 comments on “The Amazing Spider-Man 700

  1. Yeah, I think that is probably the number 1 thing I’m most interested to see in this new series. It’s obvious that as Spider-Man, Otto will go to darker lengths to accomplish his goals and I’m sure he’ll have the freedom to do so (as long as those pesky Avengers are nowhere to be found). However, since he’s still Peter on the outside, I imagine that his supporting cast will still include some if not all of the same characters. I wonder if or how long he’ll be able to fool all of them and, if anything, I’m sure will be his downfall. Bottom line, I’m psyched for Superior!

    • The thing is, he sorta still IS Peter on the inside. He has all his memories – so it’s not totally like two minds in one body, but there multitude of experiences the ‘Superior’ Spider-man has under his belt sets up a hero that can make a fresh new batch of mistakes, but have that same heart-of-gold buried in there somewhere.

      • Yeah, but there is also that heart-of-evil there too. So I wonder if this is going to be a villain redemption story and if so, does Otto deserve redemption? So then, do I even care at this point? The only time I’ve ever felt for Otto was in Sam Raimi’s Spdier-Man 2. Other than that, he’s just been “the villain.”

        • I saw the ending as his redemption. It seemed to me like Otto fully understood how and why Peter had done all that he had done. That fundamental understanding has changed his selfish outlook, which is why he vows to carry on Peter’s mission. Still, there might be some hiccups along the way.

        • I don’t really see that as his redemption so much as an awakening to all of the evil he’s done in the past. I compare it Joss Whedon’s “Angel.” He spent centuries as a blood thirsty vampire until one day he was cursed with the return of his soul. At that moment he saw all of the evil he had done and now spends his life constantly trying to atone for his many sins. If Otto now knows what it is to be a hero, then I think this should be the start of his path towards redemption. I could see that being an interesting Spidey book especially considering that Peter was always looking to redeem himself for letting his uncle die.

        • Yeah, you’re absolutely right. I hadn’t really considered that Otto might now feel guilty for all of his transgressions. That would be an interesting choice, especially after this issue aimed to remove Peter’s own sense of guilt. Man, he’s going to be smarter AND more guilty? This really will be the Superior Spider-Man.

    • The thing is, Spider-Man IS on the Avengers, he literally just joined in Issue 2 of Hickman’s run. I wonder how they’re going to reconcile that with this: he was clearly Peter in Avengers, so is he going to bow out after this arc, or is Superior Spidey going to take over for him, and if so, how will the Avengers not notice?

      Curiouser and curiouser

  2. Knowing what to call this character going forward is going to be a real pain in the butt. I threw this joke away in the alt-text for one of the images, but I’m going with “Peter Parktavius” until I hear something better.

  3. Doc Spidey is definitely a game changer. Plus, with Ryan Stegman leading art duties, it’s going to be a gorgeous book to boot.

    Side note, anyone else get choked up with a few sections of this book? Peter and the deceased was touching, and then the final goodbye to Peter had my eyes watering. I don’t like seeing him go, but Slott definitely sold it.

    • I totally did, which is especially remarkable given how little history I have with Peter. Honestly, this is the best send-off a character could hope for. All of this issue’s detractors need to realize that.

  4. I’m so glad you guys reviewed this one. I haven’t read Spidey in probably 15 years, but I owed it to the younger un-Kevin versions of myself to see how they “ended” it.

    The ol’ body/mind switch isn’t original (I grew up on the 90’s Marvel universe, after all), but Slott handled this one well. I even liked hearing the cheesy classic villain-speak slip out of Spider-Man’s mouth at times.

    While the main story was enjoyable, I have to agree with everything you said about the J.M. DeMatteis story. It almost brought a tear to my eye, and I maintain that it is THE reason to buy the issue.

    • Kinda THE reason to buy the issue is the whole package. Drew did a pretty nice job of listing the extras packed in here, but you really can’t oversell how cool it was to read Stan Lee responding to letters in the column at the end. 700 issues into ASM and 90 years into his life, the man still has the utmost enthusiasm for everything and is just a delight to read – especially when responding to repeated praise.

      Also, the covers gallery is pretty astounding. Basically it’s the perfect package to deliver this super-sized good-bye to Peter Parker. The DeMatteis story does serve as the diamond in the crown, but the other stones are plenty precious as well.

      • My bad for not reading the letters column. I need to do so. (I usually don’t skip that stuff… the Hawkeye and Saga letters columns are amazing)

        I wasn’t trying to diminish the quality of the other parts of the issue (except the date-night story… it was cute, but felt really out of place for such an epic issue). But as someone who doesn’t buy a whole lot of single issues anymore (though I’ve started thanks to Shelby and you guys), the DeMatteis story was key for me. I don’t know if the issue would have sat that well with me without it. The read-these-two-other-titles-to-get-the-full/future-story tactic tries on my patience more than it used to… call me jaded… I probably deserve it.

        I probably won’t be continuing with any Spider-Man titles, and as someone who dips in and out of comic titles nowadays, the nostalgic recap and bittersweet closure the extra story brought made it an absolute pleasure for me to buy and read.

        I’m sure I’ll dip back in when they announce the inevitable return of Peter Parker to see how they handle it in two years or so. I just hope they deliver a complete package like they did with ASM #700.

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