Young Avengers 4

young avengers 4

Today, Spencer and Patrick are discussing Young Avengers 4, originally released April 24th, 2013. 


Spencer: Tricksters are a common archetype in most works. They spread chaos, disregard authority, and cheat, con, and lie in whatever ways they can to get what they want. We all feel like we know better than to trust them, and so do our protagonists, but the best tricksters find a way to get past our defenses and bend us to their whims anyway. Kieron Gillen knows exactly how to write an effective trickster, and his Loki — one of the oldest and greatest — somehow manages to keep surprising both the Young Avengers and the readers; he might just be proving himself a greater threat than even that pesky interdimensional parasite.

Our issue opens with Kate — I mean, Hawkeye — and Marvel Boy — I mean, Noh-Varr — tracking down the rest of the Young Avengers; Kate realized they were in trouble when Billy didn’t answer her texts within a few seconds. Noh-Varr rescues the team, but they’re quickly pursued by the Amerimoms, Noh-Varr’s revived parents, and a constantly growing hoard of brainwashed adults. They crash-land in Central Park, prepare for their last stand. Meanwhile, Loki continues to manipulate Wiccan and Hulkling, and with seemingly no other choice, Billy lends Loki his powers. Loki promptly disappears, leaving the team stranded and helpless in a very profanity-worthy situation.

Loki running off with Wiccan’s powers isn’t any surprise, and I highly doubt he’s going to leave the Young Avengers high and dry; Loki’s got too much invested in them to let them die. That’s what has me worried. Teddy points out that Loki knows too much about them, which Loki brushes off, but Loki has been meddling in the affairs and forming of the team since day one. Loki has an agenda, and I’m worried about what else he’ll do with Billy’s powers in that ten minutes and what it will mean for our heroes in the long run.

The Young Avengers really have no reason to trust Loki besides desperation. Last issue they even acknowledged that “he’s Loki” was a valid enough reason not to trust him. Yet Loki knows this and has developed an entirely new persona to work around it, which is what really fascinates me. Being reborn in a young, adorable body is probably the best tool in his arsenal, but Loki combines that with a childlike personality, fawning over breakfast food and making pop culture jokes and basically acting like a harmless, slightly out of it child. I mean, just look at the kid:

Isn't that kinda racist Loki?

Despite “Loki”, despite everything he’s done in the past, it’s hard not to forgive and trust that face. Yet just four pages later, when he’s ready to manipulate, its like Loki’s another person entirely. I was startled by the difference.

the line that changes everything maybe

That’s the “wham” line, right there; I think I audibly gasped when I read it. Billy and Teddy’s relationship is the heart of the Young Avengers, and just the possibility of it being based off manipulation could tear the team asunder. Even if there’s no truth to it, Loki is sowing seeds of dissent that will only end badly in the future. What does he possibly have to gain by creating a rift between Billy and Teddy? Mother the parasite is an immediate, life-or-death situation, but heroes overcome those all the time; Loki’s machinations seem to be poised to leave a much more permanent mark on the team.

The other driving scene of this issue is Noh-Varr’s thrilling rescue of the team at the nightclub. It leads to an innovative spread where the rescue is laid out in a series of panels that are numbered like a chart. It’s a real testament to this book’s entire creative team that they can pull off consistently inventive feats like this issue after issue. That said, my favorite page actually comes at the end of this sequence.

making me love title pages one issue at a time

The title page is pure class; this book’s sure got style and flare (much like Fran Fine). This whole 7 page opening sequence is excellently paced as well; it feels like the cold opening to an especially thrilling TV show. After Noh-Varr’s one-liner, I half expected him to put on some sunglasses and cut to the CSI: Miami theme song (“YEAAHHHH!!!”). I can’t think of a more exciting way to kick off a comic book.

[NOTE: For anyone reading this comic digitally, it appears that the above title page may have been cut out of some versions. It’s a shame, and you’re missing out. Go back and reread the issue and insert that title page between pages 6 and 7.]

Meanwhile, the rest of the art is as gorgeous as always. Jamie McKelvie draws the prettiest characters in comics, and possibly the most expressive faces as well. The style is bright and fun and an absolutely perfect fit for this book.

From Issue #1 Young Avengers quickly found its way into my favorites, and I look forward to it more and more with each passing month. What about you, Patrick? Are you as enamored with this issue as I am? What do you think Loki’s got up his sleeve? And how much do you think a vintage Kree Composite Soul Bow goes for anyway?  Answer these questions if you want to be awesome!


Patrick: Oh, I hate being awesome. But I’ll still answer some of your questions. But not all! You can’t make me answer all!

I like how aggressively Gillen and McKelvie court these wow-moment in their layouts. You mentioned the carefully diagrammed action sequence up-top, my favorite part of it being that individual moments of kick-assery are labeled on the main spread, but then detailed in panels around the border. It’s just fucking awesome, and absolutely worth the price of admission. The spread is tagged with an AR icon, which will lead you to a video that shows a how that scene was built. It’s an exercise in making magic, make no mistake:

What I love even more than the sheer cleverness of that page is the way it sets up Marvel Boy as a dispassionately good shot – just as Katie and Clint are in Hawkeye. I was actually reading this issue on the plane on my way back from C2E2 and was amazed by how instructional it seemed – a dead ringer for the In Case of Crash instructions in the seat back in front of me. Just as David Aja’s covers for Hawkeye have been dead ringers for instructional cards, so too is this exciting layout. I’m always wary of spectacle for spectacle’s sake, but this actually makes a lot of sense thematically.

Here’s another example of a page that might be too clever for it’s own good: this scene from the mundane perspective of the Avengers proper.

Thor and Cap won't help

The battle plays out just outside their window, but Thor and Captain America can’t be bothered with the struggles of the Young Avengers. Which actually brings up an interesting question: why don’t the Avengers give a shit about this? In the previous issue, our heroes brought the whole mother-parasite issue to the Avengers, but were promptly brushed off with a “you should respect your elders.” At the time, we debated the virtues of young adult fiction depicting grown-ups as the oppressors to our teenage heroes. But this page suggests that Thor and Cap actually don’t see what’s going on outside. I mean, come on: it’s Thor – he’d love to fly out there and bash something with a hammer. They can’t possibly be holding back because they think the Young Avengers are exaggerating, right? Maybe they literally can’t see the parasite? Maybe there is no parasite and the whole thing is happening in their minds?

Hey, here’s a thing about me: I always trust fictional con-men to do the right thing. I mean, if they’re just going to con people over and over again, what’s the fun in that? The reason we’re reading about them (or watching them) is that today is the day they’re going to change. Plus, I can’t really see what Loki hopes to gain from wielding Wiccan’s powers for 10 minutes. The fact that he uses very Loki-esque techniques to get the power is fascinating, though – tiger don’t change his stripes, I guess.

But then again, Loki did suggest just killing Wiccan… maybe I am too quick to trust.

Hey, so what’s up with Loki’s realization before he gets the idea to steal Billy’s powers for just ten minutes? He realizes that there’s some quality about Laufey — his ice-giant father — that is unlike everyone else’s parents. Is he realizing that his father is from a different realm and maybe not subject to the same rules? Whatever magical math Loki’s working out, I feel like I’m just one well-remembered fact away from working it out too. That makes for the best kind of mystery: one that we can almost play along with, but really have no hope of solving. Well, we’ve got one of the most civil comment sections on-line, let’s toss some theories around. I start: Loki’s hoping to lure his Frost Giant father to Earth, thus finally attracting the attention of Thor, and — by extension — the rest of the Avengers.


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22 comments on “Young Avengers 4

  1. I’m pretty trusting too, Patrick, but I’d been keeping an especially close eye on Loki when the series began. I admit I’m a bit biased; thanks to Tom Hiddleston Loki is beloved by online fans right now, and many love him for the wrong reasons or paint him as this misunderstood lost soul who just wants to be loved, completely ignoring all the terrible things he’s done, and it bugs me, so I’ve had my guard up this whole series. But it didn’t work; he tricked me anyway. I think that’s why I find the way he’s been manipulating the team so fascinating, cause he’s put a lot of thought into it but made it look effortless at the same time.

    As for what he can do with Wiccans powers though, I think the answer is “almost anything.” He’s got the power to warp reality and much more control over it than Billy did. I don’t think he’ll make any major changes, but whatever change he does make will be a minor but profound; something he can exploit at a later date.

    • Yes, but what did he realize about his father that made him settle on 10 minutes with Billy’s powers? My knowledge of Frost Giants is PRETTY LIMITED, but there must be something there.

      • Well Loki’s original pitch for 10 minutes with Billy’s powers was back in issue 3, so the amount of time he wanted the powers for never changed. As for Laufey, I agree with what you said about Laufey being from another realm and therefore not subject to the same rules. After all, Loki came to his realization when he noticed that Laufey didn’t follow the team to Central Park like the Amerimoms did. Yet the Amerimoms followed them to Asgard and then back to New York, so the Parasites can’t be restrained by interdimensional boundaries; there has to be something specific about Laufey in this instance. Like you, though, I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I feel like it’s right at the tip of my tongue.

  2. I think the idea of some of this issue being “too clever for its own good” is interesting. I guess I can see some people being turned off by the cleverness, but personally, I’m just always excited to see what this team will do next, even if it doesn’t always 100% work.

    As for the Avengers, I thought they were pretty obviously under Mother’s thrall back in issue 2; Cap even spoke to Mother as the Kaplans restrained screaming Billy and Teddy. It would explain why they didn’t even notice the ruckus, but come to think of it, why weren’t they compelled to go chasing after the team like the rest of the adults? I suppose it doesn’t make full sense no matter how you cut it. But as a joke, I still think it really hit the way it was intended.

    • Right, it was clear from the first appearance of the Avengers that this wasn’t just adults ignoring kids; that’s the metaphor Gillen is going for (parents just don’t understand), but Mother definitely has a literal ability to make people see what she wants that doesn’t extend to the Young Avengers.

      • Right, but is it possible that the Young Avengers AREN’T actually experiencing this problem, but are made to believe they are? Perhaps as some kind of extended Loki con?

    • Oh and in regards to too-clever-for-it’s-own-good: I’m almost always won over by cleverness, but I also recognize that clarity is king in storytelling. When cleverness is paired with grace, the effect is unstoppable.

      • There’s a Ben Folds Five lyric that I always think of when I hear the phrase “too clever” – it’s from Selfless, Cold and Composed:

        You just smile politely / like a bankteller / blankly telling me / “have a nice life.”

        There’s almost too much wordplay here, and while it’s super effective when you unpack it, it does take some unpacking to get there. (Also, I end up loving the lyric, but that probably says more about my love of clever things than anything else.)

        • I’ve never caught the “like a bankteller” part of that lyric before. Nice.

          Also, “Selfless, Cold and Composed” is one of those songs that I fall in love with anew pretty much every single time I listen to it.

  3. So the only Marvel book that I read is Hawkeye, BUT I have been thinking about picking up this series (YA!). but have heard mixed reviews for it. I like young heroes but dropped Teen Titans ages ago. What are the best new52 comparison in terms of quality/tone etc…?

    • There’s really not a New 52 equivalent. Maybe I’ve missed something DC is putting out, but their young hero books seem a) uniformly gritty in tone, and b) uniformly dire in quality. If you want to read young heroes in comics, skip DC entirely and read Young Avengers, FF, Avengers Arena, or Wolverine and the X-Men.

      • There are some worthy DC series, in my opinion. I can mention at least 3 of them that could be enjoyed by any kind of reader: Animal Man, Green Arrow and Katana.
        Some others, like Swamp Thing, are good too, but you may not enjoy them if they are not your cup of tea.
        Read Animal Man, Green Arrow and/or Katana if you haven’t: you’ll thank me. : )

        • I think Cheese’s answer was regarding young heroes specifically. It’s too bad Blue Beetle got crummy and the lost its way. OH – Sword of Sorcery is a pretty great YA series. Predictably, it too is doomed – with it’s last issue coming out in a few weeks.

        • You’re right, Patrick: I read Cheese’s comment hurriedly, and this led me to make a blunder.
          The problem with Blue Beetle is that, as you pointed out, DC “Million Dollar Babied” the series. It worked until they decided to put Jaime in space, where he definitely is a fish out of water. Thank you for your reply! : )

        • WWAYNE – you just stumbled on a genius twist of that old “fish out of water” phrase: “a fish in SPACE” – meaning that you’ve taken the person so far out of their comfort zone that their unique filter is irrelevant. That’s exactly what happened to Jaime. He was out of his element as a superhero, but as an outer-space adventurer, he’s about as poorly-equipped as anyone.

        • And this is exactly the reason why I’m not buying the Threshold issues featuring Jaime: yes, that series spares him from oblivion, but at the same time it makes him appear in a setting where he couldn’t be more out of place. DC still doesn’t get that Jaime works only in an urban setting. Thank you for your compliments and for your reply, fellow Blue Beetle fan! : )

      • DC barely has a young heroes line any more. And thanks to dudes like Tom DeFalco and Scott Lobdell, it’s basically all trash. I would say the closest thing I can think of as an analogue in tone (but not in quality) would be the first 7 issues of Birds of Prey. HOWEVER, unlike Birds of Prey, the superhero conflict in Young Avengers is very well integrated into the personal relationships between the characters.

        Cheese has got a good list going of Marvel teens right there. I think All-New X-Men goes on that list, just by virtue of having the original X-Men in the line-up. Also, they might not be teens, but there’s something decidedly young about the team over on Fearless Defenders.

        • Yeah, my thought was early Birds of Prey (vol. 2), too. Both series have a great sense of humor balanced with great action and intrigue. The potential wafting off of this series feels a lot like those early BoP issues. Here’s hoping that this series breaks more towards delivering on that potential than BoP did.

        • Another similarity is that both teams include characters who are traditionally villains.

          Just so long as Gillen sticks the landing here better than DS stuck the landing on the first BoP arc, I think it’s safe to say this is the far superior series.

    • Young Avengers is most definitely worth your time, especially if you’re already into teen heroes. Don’t let the piss poor quality of DC’s current teen books turn you off; they’re not related in the slightest.

      There are no teenage books at DC of a similar quality, but the New 52 book “Young Avengers” reminds me of the most is “The Flash.” Both are fun, quick moving, bright, and feature gorgeous art and inventive layouts. That’s just my personal opinion, of course.

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