Saga 36

Today, Ryan M. and Patrick are discussing Saga 36, originally released April 27, 2016.

Ryan M: I’m a sympathetic cryer. When I hear that telltale catch in someone else’s voice, my eyes swell. It’s not limited to real people either. Characters in movies I don’t even like can get me pretty easily, as well as any one who is dying and says that they aren’t ready out loud. I’m also not really a fan of crying in front of people, so I tend to be wary about finishing a book on the bus or seeing heavy dramas at the movie theater. So, I made sure I was all alone when I read Saga 36. That’s how sure I was that Brian K. Vaughan and Fiona Staples were preparing to gut me with empathetic sadness as they closed an arc with the death of one of the characters. Of course, I was pretty wrong about that. I still cried, but only happy tears.

Saga 36 closes the arc of Hazel’s time at the Detention center. Marko rescues her and says goodbye to his mother (i.e. Cry number 1 and number 2). The Will confronts Ghus and loses all the fingers on one hand in one of the issue’s most intense moments. Now, that seems like a dark moment, but since this issue is about hope, the incident causes the Will to be ruled by his hallucination of The Brand rather than the spirit of The Stalk and he leaves without causing any fatal damage. Even Upsher and Doff get a happy moment, as they realize that they are free from the Will. All of this not-depressing stuff was just an appetizer to the end of the issue. Alana is pregnant and the final panel of the  arc is a shocked Marko and a glowing Alana.

baby shock

It’s the best kind of twist, one that has an element of surprise, but in retrospect feel inevitable. Apart from whatever plot implications that this development offers, there is something pure and hopeful about this final panel. After years of struggle Alana and Marko has just gotten their family back together, but that hardship is nowhere to be seen. They stand with open body language and unguarded expressions. The youthful spirit of Staples’ art is reinforced by Hazel’s narration on the page. She mentions “science experiments, free time and surprise naps,” recalling the more exciting earmarks of elementary school. Without a trace of the weariness or cynicism that would be justified given her past, Alana looks ready to embrace this new adventure with the verve of a fourth grader.

The issue underlines the importance and power of familial love. After years of separation, Marko is clearly unsure as to whether Hazel will remember him.


Again Hazel’s narrative has thematic relevance without becoming expository. In the upper right panel above, Hazel is both talking about the universal experience of going to school, but also Marko’s feelings of fear and love. The first panel above shows Hazel’s surprise and curiosity, but the reader is left in suspense as to whether she will remember him. That concern that Hazel may have been too young becomes stronger with the very well observed childlike movement of climbing out of the box. We never doubt that Marko feels the bond with her, though he holds himself back so as not to upset her. That’s what makes the final panel all the more powerful. Hazel does recognize her daddy. Since Vaughan and Staples have given us so much of these characters separately during this arc, it’s so satisfying to get this moment for the two of them.

If Marko and Hazel prove that time and space cannot sever the family bond, The Will shows that even death cannot stop it.

ghost sisters still whip shitThe Will has been without empathy since his sister died. His use of Heroine and hallucinations of an enabling The Stalk have taken the man who risked his life to save little Sophie to one with his hands around Squire’s throat. Having your fingers chopped off, nearly killing a child and then having your sister call you a fucking dummy from beyond the grave serve as The Will’s low point here. Even with only six fingers, life for The Will seems to be looking up. It’s no coincidence that it’s his sister and her assertion of their family love that finally gets through to him. In the panels that follow, Vaughan has The Will admit the truth. He is not driven by vengeance so much as a deep loneliness and grief.

Patrick, I’m interested to know what you think. Did you find the issue as hopeful as I did? I didn’t really dig too deep on the coinciding escape/rescue attempts at the detention center. What do you think of the way that was handled. Speaking of handling, how about Ghus’ axe skills? On a speculative note, who do you think The Brand is calling “the one chick who calls you on your bullshit”? I’m hoping it’s Lying Cat. I miss that feline.

Patrick: Oooo! Speculation! Lying Cat is a great guess and she is one of this series more iconic characters. I would also be interested in meeting a new character from The Will’s past, one that could do something to counteract the hilariously myopic morality of the Stalk and Brand on his shoulders. It’s fascinating that The Brand even identifies herself as part of his “own fucking brain” – doubling down on the psychological / emotional explanation for what he’s experiencing. This isn’t some magical projections of people he once knew, and they’re not Isabel-esque ghost-torsos, these visions are quite literally The Will trying to impose order on the conflicting impulses inside his drug-shredded brain. His conflict is almost entirely internal. Sure, Ghus sliced his fingers off — and it looked like an awesome still from some hyper violent anime — but check out how little that move really bothers him.

ghus chops fingers

He’s surprised, and miffed enough to call the most adorable creature in the galaxy a “little shit,” but the next time we see him, he’s bandaged and using his fraction-of-a-hand to strangle the Princeling. Losing those fingers hasn’t rocked his world nearly as much as being challenged by his own brain-sister. That speaks to the power of home and family that Ryan so gracefully illuminated elsewhere in this piece. It’s sorta the other side of it though, right? Family has the power to lift you up and to crush you in equal parts. That’s how success and failure are measured for our characters in this issue: The Will’s family (such as it is) rejects him, and Marko, Alana and Hazel’s family embraces itself. One loss, one win.

And, I know Ryan already talked about it, but can we talk about that series of wins for a second? I also have a strong emotional reaction to seeing people cry, but I wouldn’t label myself as a sympathetic crier, as Ryan does at the start of this piece. In fact, decades of gender normative masculine-training and dozens of winters of Midwestern modesty have made my crying episodes extremely rare. I bet there’s even a record of the total number of times I’ve cried in the last fours years if you scour this website enough – it happens so in frequently, I’d certainly bring it up in a forum like this.

All of which is just to lay the track for this: Marko and Hazel’s reunion had me actively sobbing alone in my kitchen. Like, runny nose, stuttered breath trying desperately to get back into a peaceful, predictable rhythm, tears flowing freely. I don’t know that I can articulate how that moment works as well as it does. Part of it is obvious – we’re witnessing a reunion of characters: that’s always good for a tug on the heartstrings. But I think Hazel’s anecdote about her father going away to school really hit me. It might be my favorite piece of Vaughan’s writing ever, so I’m going to reproduce it here so we can try to get to the bottom of what’s so goddamn magical about it:

Dad once told me that when he got on a schoolbus for the first time, he started crying, because he was sure he’d never see his family again. And even though his parents were alive and well at the end of each day, he still got worried when the bus showed up in the morning. Despite his fears, my father said he actually loved being a student. School taught him how much he loved being home.

Vaughan lays a lot of groundwork for this speech earlier in the issue, painting “school” as something dangerous. And because the language is non-specific, the reader’s imagination has to graft external meaning on to phrase like “when you’re dealing with the youngest, most vulnerable members of our society, the worst-case scenario isn’t improbable, it’s inevitable.” Where’s your mind go? Mine goes to Sandy Hook, but whatever you’ve got in your head is equally effective. That’s the canvas upon which the above story is painted.

But Hazel’s story also invites emotional openness. She starts by letting us know that crying is part of this story, and the act of crying is linked to something emotionally non-spectacular: baby Marko misses his parents. Weird as it sounds, it’s permission to feel and express your deepest feelings about everyday wins and losses. At the end of it, though, I’m probably responding to that so much because I am (and probably always will be) a homebody. I love going out and I love seeing friends and doing exciting stuff, but there’s nothing quite so completing to me as coming home and being with the people I love.

I’ve heard Vaughan speak about how his series are really just him grappling with things he didn’t understand: Ex Machina was him working out his issues with politics, Y, The Last Man was him working out his issues with women and sex, and Saga was him working out his issues being a parent. But we stand poised on the edge of a shift here, from parent-focus to family-focus. I can’t wait to see how Vaughan and Staples work out those issues.

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12 comments on “Saga 36

  1. Ah! I think I remembered by last big cry – it was ALSO SAGA RELATED. Whatever issue it is that kicks off the Marko-not-really-cheating storyline ended with a page implying that Marko and Alana were going to break up. Again, I don’t know how the fuck this series does it, but I’m just very invested in these characters and the more mundane their happiness, the more I feel for them.

  2. Yeah, that reunion scene is powerful. Hell, I got choked up again just looking at the panels posted in this piece, without having the lead up of the rest of the issue. I have two young daughters though, and I’ve found that ever since I’ve become a father, this kind of family stuff really hits home. I’m looking forward to this new baby joining the crew and making Marko’s family almost just like mine again! Man this hiatus is gonna kill me…

    • Gino! Good to see a comment from you man! I’m also find that I’m just a little bit more effected by these things now that Hazel’s a little bit more of a person, you know? Like when she was a baby, she was more or less a representation of Marko and Alana’s love, but her having that bit of agency a 4th grader has really makes the whole thing very powerful.

      The hiatus may kill me too, but I’ve also NEVER done a re-read of Saga. We are getting deep enough into it, and the story has changed so much since it started, that I might just indulge that impulse.

      • Yeah, I haven’t been around as much for a plethora of reasons. Over time, my pull list has shrunk from about 25 titles to 7, and many of them unfortunately don’t publish every month (Saga, Sex Criminals, Velvet, etc.). I still check in on the site often, but I have less to contribute, and life has been pretty hectic so even with the small pull list, I’m sometimes behind on my reading. I might check out some of the Rebirth titles though, what’s the Retcon Punch plan for the relaunch? Are you covering everything?

        Back to Saga,I agree that it’s even more fun now that Hazel has more agency, but even as a baby, the fact that she has narration still clues us in to a lot of how she views things and kept me interested in her as a person, not just as a device. It also happens that Saga’s family kind of resembles mine – I started reading it a few months before my first daughter was born, and she and Hazel have been growing up together for me, and I have a second daughter now as well, so I’m kind of pulling for the new baby to be a little girl :p Anyone want to take bets on the sex?

        I might be due for a re-read as well. I’ve done it before, but I think it was after the second arc, so it’s been a while! In fact, when I have a bit more time on my hands, I might be due for a re-read of all the titles I’m following right now.

        • Oh man: Rebirth. I’m slowly gathering all hands for that thing. I don’t believe we’ll be covering EVERYTHING, but we will definitely be giving a chance to most of it. We should probably do a rundown of what we think of all these new titles before they come out, but we’re also teeing up some New 52 retrospective pieces – y’know with the benefit of being able to see their place historically now. Mostly, it’ll just be a fun excuse to revisit RotWorld and Batwoman and Wonder Woman and Court of Owls and all that, but it should be good!

          And it makes me feel good to know that you’re lurking on the site. I get that you can’t always participate like you once did – having a kid (or two) will do that! And on that note: congrats on second daughter! I’m going to guess that’s what happens on Saga as well – two girls.

        • Retrospective pieces sounds awesome (although possibly because some of those stories you mentionned are some of my new 52 favorites!). I’m gonna be hella busy this month seeing as I’m moving, but come early June I should be settled and there are a few of the new DC titles I might try out. I’ll let you know then, if I’m not too late maybe I could guest on a piece, it’s been ages!

          Just out of curiosity, what happened to the side projects planned for this site? I may be wrong, but I seem to recall there being talk of a podcast, more cram sessions, more chat caves (I checked every day for like 3 weeks hoping to discuss Batman v. Superman) and what not. I suppose life happens for you guys too, but is any of that still a possibility in the future?

        • Would love to have you back on as a guest, Gino! When you’re settled in the new place and want to hop into that, shoot me an email at patrick [at]

          And other projects went a little bit by the wayside for a number of reasons. Mostly we just didn’t have the manpower to devote to it – Shelby had some tough times, Drew went to school, I was engaged in other projects. That’s all very reductive mind you, but the point is that we didn’t have the follow-thru that we would have needed to transform the site like wanted. Add to that some kind of flagging readership numbers and our increasing frustrations about what we can accomplish with the WordPress platform, and it just wasn’t something that we could commit the emotional energy to.

          But! Drew and I are working on some plans now that his program has finished. I can’t guarantee that we’ll ever get back to making Cram Sessions (they’re just so much work) but everything else is back on the table. At the risk of re-building hype we might not deliver on (y’know, 10 comments deep in an unrelated article), it does sound like Drew and I have renewed interest in broadening our content and offering more fun stuff from Retcon Punch.

        • Yeah, I figured it might be something as simple as “life happens” that kept those extra projects off the table. I’m glad to know you guys are thinking of buckling down and going at it again though!

          I’m really hoping that some of the Rebirth titles turn out good, recently I’ve been down to only Batman from DC. I really wish my other titles would ship every month too, my entire pull list from Image (and AmVam at Vertigo) either have hiatuses or delays constantly, and it makes it really hard to stay in the loop. What Rebirth (or other) titles are you most looking forward to? What’s coming out right now that’s worth getting into? Why aren’t we getting a new Swamp Thing series?!?

  3. Seeing the comments here reminds me I really need to get up to date with Saga. And do a reread. I’ll try and pick up Volume 5 soon as start from the beginning. Because this is a beautiful series that I love, and can’t wait to read again. In fact, I’ve actually been thinking about it a lot recently, and while I have never cried at art, this is one of the things that really hits me hard

    Makes me wish I didn’t tradewait so much Image stuff, but I just find it works better that way. Especially for something like Saga

    • Saga definitely has it’s frustrating stretches when you read it month-to-month, and the trades are actually pretty timely when compared to anything out of the Big Two. This is the only way I’ve ever known to read it, but I’m actually enjoying the experience more than say, my previous BKV series, which I read in trade. Slapping six issues into one experience doesn’t always disguise the lumpiness, is I guess what I’m saying.

      But I’m also sorta compelled to go back and read them in collections, just so I have the same experience with this story that I feel like most people are probably having. Saga’s the kind of story that even the people that refuse to go into the weird store want to read, so it’s almost like trade is the accepted way to take it in.

      • Great thing about Image is that they get the trades out really fast.

        I read in trades for Image because I feel that is how a lot of Image comics are structured. There is a strict delineation between stories in a way that there isn’t in many superhero comics. Add the fact that business realities of Image books state that trades is how most people read them and the fact that free from the Big Two’s need to continue as they always have gives more space for a writer to write to the story’s needs, the writers therefore write often write for the trade format. That’s the reason why Image books often have hiatuses between arcs. The story is actually finished, and the next arc is a new story that is a sequel. So to me, the best way to read these books is how they are supposed to be read, all at once.

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