Generations: Hawkeye and Hawkeye 1: Discussion

by Spencer Irwin and Taylor Anderson

Generations Hawkey and Hawkeye 1

This article contains SPOILERS. If you haven’t read the issue yet, proceed at your own risk!


Spencer: Other than a codename and skills with a bow and arrow, what do the two Hawkeyes have in common? Captain America first gifted Kate her codename because “she’s the only Avenger other than Clint ever to stand up to him,” but ever since Matt Fraction’s run, writers have been downplaying Clint’s brash outspokenness in favor of emphasizing what a total human disaster he is — and though not to the same degree, Kate’s characterization has followed suit. In Generations: Hawkeye and Hawkeye 1, Kelly Thompson and Stefano Raffaele find something else the two Hawkeyes have in common: crappy mentors.

Like the other young protagonists of the Generations event, Kate Bishop is whisked away to the past (which we now know is a “gift” from Kobik) and arrives on a mysterious island currently in the middle of a “Best Marksman in the Universe” tournament. Clint himself has also been displaced in time and space, whisked away to attend the tournament where he is quickly forced to shift focus to saving the lives of the gaggle of murder-happy villains teleported in along with him. He’s hesitant to team-up with Kate, but she wins him over. It’s not easy — Kate stumbles and improvs her way through it — and both agree to chalk Clint’s trust in her up to “good instincts.” Clint can recognize a kindred spirit when he sees one.

Notably, Kate spends this entire segment of the issue using everything she’s learned about Clint in their time together to her advantage. She clearly knows him very well, or at least thinks she does.

But there’s a difference between knowing about someone’s past and experiencing it firsthand, as Kate discovers when they run across Clint’s old mentor, Swordsman. Clint is briefly forced to team up with Swordsman, but it turns out that his former mentor is, of course, behind the entire tournament, all with the goal of somehow regaining Clint’s trust. Seeing Clint deal with all of this not only gives Kate a new perspective on her fellow Hawkeye, but can’t help but remind her of her own issues with her father as well.

Yeah, if there’s one thing Kate and Clint both have in common, it’s that they’ve had the absolute worst luck with fathers and father figures. The major difference, of course, is that for a long time, those terrible mentors were all Clint had. Seeing this first-hand gives Kate a whole new appreciation for having Clint in her life.

Kate actually has more in common with Clint here than she realizes. Her entire origin is that, when her sister’s wedding was attacked, she leapt in to help the Young Avengers despite having no training, powers, and wearing a bridesmaid dress, just because she knew it was the right thing to do, and eventually stood up even to the Avengers for the team’s right to exist. Like Clint, her heroism came to her naturally despite a severe lack of support — it’s yet another quality that binds these two Hawkeyes together. But Kate is also right when she gives credit to Clint for her own development. She got a mentor at a much younger age than Clint ever did, and even if Kate is learning from Clint’s failures as much as she is his successes, it’s still helped her to grow, allowed her to mature faster than Clint did. That’s something to be grateful for, and with her personal life in such shambles, it’s a nice reminder for Kate that she still has people to lean on who can help guide and support her. Sometimes we just need a better understanding of what our parents/parental figures/mentors went through when they were young to truly appreciate the wisdom and experience they have to offer.

Through it all, writer Kelly Thompson graces this issue with the same deft mix of humor and genuine superhero thrills as she does the main Hawkeye title. I already know she writes a great Kate Bishop, but I found myself surprised by how much I liked her take on this younger Clint, an interesting balancing of both the classic Clint and Fraction’s take. Stefano Raffaele provides serviceable art throughout — I like his jungle backgrounds, and he throws in some fun expressions — but there were a few moments where I found his action sequences a little muddled, especially (unfortunately) in the grand climax.

While I love the two mirror image, extreme close-ups on Clint and Kate, the close framing on Clint and Bullseye makes it almost impossible to tell what advantage Kate’s four arrow Domitian assault is actually providing — they just kinda whiz by, endangering Clint as much as Bullseye. And then there’s panel 5 — why does Bullseye start glowing when he hits the wall, before Kate even shoots his belt? It doesn’t look like he was knocked into any sort of machine or anything. It’s a confusing sequences of events that unfortunately blunts the issue’s climatic action sequence. Thankfully, as we’ve discussed so far, the emotional beats still hit with all the force they need.

So Taylor, what’s your take on this one? It’s fun to see the Hawkeyes together again, right? What do you think the deal is with Swordsman’s new protégé, Eden? She’s kind of just a plot device here, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Thompson had plans for her somewhere down the line.


Taylor: I would love for Eden to come back and for us to be able to watch Clint try and hit on her like he says. Something about traveling through time gives characters a “don’t fuck with me” vibe and it would be fun to watch the various Eden rebuffs to Clint’s not so smooth advances. And even if Eden solely is a narrative device, she sets up a nice moment between Kate and Clint.

By “nice,” I mean it’s a moment that’s thoroughly enjoyable, and one that highlights a strength of this issue. Thompson writes the banter between Clint and Kate extremely well. On one level, it’s just plain funny, as is seen above with Kate’s exasperation and her observation that of course Clint’s shirt is torn to shreds. On another level, the banter shows just how well these characters work together within a narrative. These two understand each other and their teamwork is so great because their personalities come together like two cogs in a greater machine. Thompson seems to effortlessly show this relationship to us through poignant banter that is as revealing as it is entertaining.

This banter is present almost from the first instant the two meet and I’m impressed at the way Stefano Raffaele is able to relate this friendship in pictures. After their first testy meeting, the two Hawkeyes sit down at a campfire to lure in some bad guys. While they wait they fall into conversation and Kate asks Clint if she can try on his mask. The resulting panels are adorable.

There’s something about Kate’s “wazzup” face in the second panel that I find endlessly endearing. This reason for this is that Raffaele has so well captured a mannerism that I’ve seen and used many times with my own friends. It’s not the most elegant move by any means, but it’s totally something you do when you’re around your close friends and don’t mind looking kind of like an idiot. Raffaele’s rendering of this here expresses in so many ways the closeness between these two characters that words sometimes simply cannot convey.

This isn’t to say that Raffaele’s art is flawless, however. Like you noticed Spencer, I also felt like some of the action sequences were somewhat confusing. I think the cause of this is the lack of spacing in the action scenes and throughout the entire book. This issue is simply packed with dialogue and action and in some ways, it’s impressive the amount of information that Thompson and Raffaele cram in here. In another way, it’s not impressive when you have confusingly scripted sequences like this one.

While every page isn’t as cluttered as this one, many of the pages have somewhere in the range of six to eight panels on them. Compounding the issue is the use of a lot of narrow panels give many pages a squished feeling. Now, the use of this number of panels aligned in a particular way isn’t damning, but when the entire issue follows that pattern the entire thing begins to feel somewhat claustrophobic. Many times I found myself wanting to see more of what was off-panel and being frustrated by the white gutters that denied my curiosity. While neither Thompson or Raffaele is to blame completely for this, one could only wish they could have formed a team like Clint and Kate. With such teamwork, the paneling wouldn’t have been a problem.


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One comment on “Generations: Hawkeye and Hawkeye 1: Discussion

  1. There is a big, obvious problem with this issue. Eden, for some reason, never does anything. For the big protege of Swordsman that the plot revolves around and the shadow archetype to Kate, we never get to explore that. There is a lot of potential with Eden, and I don’t think she’ll turn up in the main book (the main book’s focus on building the two beggest parts of Kate’s Rogue’s Gallery and the noir influences make her an unlikely candidate).

    And yet, despite that, this is the best issue of Generations so far. I think a big part of it comes down to Swordsman. Every issue has done a great job with the characters themselves, but only Jean Grey came close to havign a meaningful villain that actually strengthened the book. But Galactus is no Swordsman (that’s probably the first time that sentence has ever been said), and the way Swordsman ties into the themes of this issue is fantastic. A true, meaningful antagonist makes Kate’s journey more powerful.

    It also perfectly tailors the story to play to its strengths. Yeah, Eden is a mistake, but it knows that the joy is of having the Hawkeyes talk, even have time to mess around, so it lets them. It creates a story where fights can happen naturally at lulls of the story, while focusing on the important thing. A big part of the success fo Fraction’s Hawkeye was the fact that they lulled around the appartment, just talking (something Thompson is replicating with her own supporting cast and Kate’s current place). So Thompson uses the campfire to get similar results.

    In fact, let’s praise the campfire some more, and it is wonderfully elegant. Thompson has created enforced downtime so she can do the stuff she wants. And uses a campfire, because it creates the right sort of atmosphere to have the interactions she needs (compare this to, say, Young Avengers: Siege, that also uses enforced downtime to let Kate just interact with a character. But there, Kate and Eli are buried under rubble, and the drama of their attempts to safely escape mirror the dramatic nature of their discussion on relationship propsects). But, Thompson manages to make the campfire also fit into the story, effortlessly tying it into the enforced downtime/sudden moments of fighting premise by making it a trap. My favourite line is the no name bad guy calling them idiots for leaving such on obvious sign of their premise, for them only to deadpan ‘We know’ and shoot him with a crossbow. Fantastically elegant.

    The other thing I really like is how CLint actually picks up on things in clever ways. I think he actually works out that Kate is from the future, by all her references. At the very least, I love that he works out she is the better shot. The Domitan shot may be confusing in what it actually accomplished (I generally liked the cramped panelling and how it suggested a confusing and physical melee. THe type of fight where there was no elegance, just taking opportunities. THis works especially well considering Taskmaster and Bullseye are more dangerous than Clint. Proper fighting will only fail But the fact that the key shot’s purpose is so unclear is poor storytelling), but it is Clint recognising what’s up with Kate. But th ebest thing with the Comitian shot is how it reflects the mentorship theme through continuity. Clint makes clear that he hasn’t even attempted the shot. In fact, considering his nature, he is probably admitting he can’t. But he trusts that Kate can. He trusts that Kate is a better shot. THis is not to say Kate is a better shot than present day CLint, but that CLint’s mentorship has benefited Kate in ways that Swordsman’s mentorship of Clint didn’t. The value of a good mentor.

    And that’s just focusing on specific elements, ignoring the general high quality of this issue. Every positive you guys say is true. The consistnetly great humour, how well it works digging into Clint Barton while providing a lesson that, if followed up on in the main book, could be very interesting (especially with the ad at the end showing a previously unreleased cover of the series). This was a disappointing week for Marvel, and not just because of Secret EMpire screwing things up. But this was one bright spot

    Best of Generations by a long shot.

    Also, want to know one really cool touch? I love how CLint uses an old fashioned bow, while Kate’s is modern. Really helps to show the generational nature. That is the bow Kate uses in her own book, but it still works really well to see the contrast.

    Also also, Kate looks really good on the cover of in a version of CLint’s old costume. Unlike Laura, who looks terrible in Logan’s costume, Kate actually makes Clint’s hideous costume look good. Still prefer her actual costumes, but damn it looks fine on her

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